I am writing this in the hope that it will educate other fathers and perhaps help other sailors starting their career in the navy, it is my son’s story.
First I must give you some background; my son graduated high school in 2005 and had a scholarship to any state school of his choosing, he had worked on the school newspaper as editor and for the local newspaper as a sportswriter covering area high school football games. His plan was to attend college as journalism major, we toured several colleges in our state. However just prior to graduation he gave us the news his girlfriend was pregnant, and he decided to attend the college closest to home so he could raise his child.
While we were obviously disappointed we were proud of his commitment to step up and raise his child which turned out to be a boy and our first grandchild. While attending college he went to work for circuit city (yeah there out of business) there he learned a lot about computers. Fast forward to 2008 and he approaches me about moving to the area of the college he had originally planned to attend transfer to the circuit city there and finish college, by now however he was realizing that a job in journalism and especially in sports journalism might be futile since ESPN was hiring ex ballplayers. I thought this was a good opportunity for him to finish his college education and I agreed to help him move which included a purchase of a house. Of course as you all now know Circuit City went under the economy went south and he lost his house and had to move back how.
I had always told both my sons that I had regretted not serving in the military and thought that there were many benefits later in life that would help but they both knew they had to go to college. So while I thought they should go in when they were 18 for the experience they instead went to college first.
Now 2010 my son approached me and said dad what do you think about me going in the Navy now. Well at 22 with no job, a family and two years of college I thought it’s never too late plus he and his family would get health insurance a roof over there head and safe day care for my grandson.
Now since my family had experience in the military especially my older brother who was a Vietnam era vet and a sergeant we made sure to ask all the questions. My son scored very high on the entrance exam and they immediately wanted him to enter the sub nuke program, but he said no he definitely did not want subs so the next thing they came up with was an AT working on the fighter jets which sounded great to me because all my friends that served in the Navy recommended carrier duty.
Besides that he would go in as an E3 since he had college and had made the deans list each of his two years. We learned how to maximize the GI bill paying in the extra $100.00 per pay period so my grandson would get the college benefit if my son stayed in the full 6 years but he was already planning to make it a career.
Fast forward to Great Lakes, everything going well everything still positive, but know we are learning that some of the RDC are truly caring and some just going through the motions. The guys all get to request what they want and my sons requests San Diego (he grew up on the east coast) because he wants a change of scenery and in talking to some of the good chief’s they give him advice on the best track for him to advance. At this point we are exchanging letters and he’s already thinking ahead, Six years doing AT taking the petty officer exam, coming back to GL to be and RDC etc.. and I’m excited best he’s sounded in years. Unfortunately he doesn’t get SD he gets Pensacola for A school some of his buddies get the track he wants and he chalks it up to one lazy chief who didn’t care to fill out the requests but he’s still positive.
Once at A school in Pensacola again great experience but once again when the time comes for C school notification he gets Virginia Beach not the west coast which some of his buddy’s get assigned to.
However now some of his instructors start talking negative about the Navy, little advancement because so many young men are signing up due to the recession, the needs of the navy come first etc..
Once in Oceana In Virginia Beach his family can finally join him, they get a great 2 story townhouse just off base and my grandson now 4 years old attends daycare on the base for a mere $50 a month, they have the NEX and full Tricare health care coverage. Again however there is negative talk from the chiefs and others who have done sea duty and some of that enthusiasm from boot is wearing off in fact a lot is wearing off, and then there are the officers who don’t care. Mike’s security clearance being held up because a LT doesn’t want to do her job, they recommend he take Petty Officer exam but don’t tell him without the clearance his tests results will be invalid a fact he learns later upon his return from the Carl Vinson.
Yes he finishes C school in April and even though the Vinson’s been out at sea since November they fly him out, and what a trip, they had to catch up to the boat including landing on the carrier at night.
Yes he’s on the Vinson when they close down the flight deck so the helicopters that raided Bin Laden can land on the deck, he goes from being a pollywog to shellback, he gets to see Hong Kong etc.., but his calls home are disturbing he wants out and said it’s the worst decision he’s ever made. He’s talked to the chaplain on board he gets back to Oceana and he’s done, whatever happened he’s had it with the navy. He takes a couple of weeks off but we hear July 15 they are sending him to Nevada to the air base there for additional training. Suddenly though mom and dad get a call that he’s not going and he’s been assigned to watch in Oceana. We learned that he has threatened suicide and he’s been placed in counseling sessions.
They diagnose Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), Dependent Personality Disorder, General Anxiety Disorder, and Depressive Disorder and the counselors are recommending administrative separation.
So here we are today, Mike continues to stand watch and attend one hour group counseling sessions, he’s been given Zoloft, and he awaits word from the Navy as we do about his future. Now the prospects look grim, his wife is ill his son is about to start kindergarten and his parents are left wondering what went wrong. If he gets a dishonorably discharge all his GI benefits are gone.
I send this in the hope that should you see a huge change in your son or daughters outlook that you take immediate notice and do what you can to assist them. As for me I have been advised NOT to discuss my concerns with my son as this only adds to his stress level. If you look up BPD you will find that its generally blamed on the persons upbringing which of course is news to me and his mother. My older son finished college and has good job and great family they were raised exactly the same. My wife and I are still married (34 years) and we have never done anything differently with either son. Now my son will not speak to his mother on advise of counsel so you can imagine how his mom feels. What once was a bright outlook is now gone and what the future holds is anyone’s guess.
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This is an extremely disturbing letter for one who has a son in his 3rd week of boot camp. I pray your son will somehow heal and make it through all this. For my son, the Navy was his last option. He'd pretty much blown his chances at a successful civilian life, not graduating from high school (which he eventually had to do to get into the Navy), bouncing from one job to another, and hanging out with his ambitionless, trouble-making friends. His first and so far only letter to us revealed his shock at what he may have thought was going to be a not-so-difficult experience in boot camp. He spent a year in the DEP, dedicating himself to getting in shape physically, cutting loose the useless 'friends', and preparing for his career as an HC - the only job he was offered. As tough as things may be in the military now, it would seem a whole lot tougher out here in the civilian word with the economy and unemployment the way it is.
This is a tough read. I am just a noob so these are just my two cents. The title says it all. To other parents, don't let it freak you out. This is not about the Navy, or about your child. My heart goes out to this family. I hope your child and his family get the help they obviously need. Don't surrender hope!
I really feel for you. It's very tough. I have been in your shoes. Long story short, they prescribed meds that gave my sailor a seizure. They tried to board him out on that without investigation. With sheer determination and grit, we pushed Bethesda and Walter Reed to do a more thorough eval. Six months and no seizures later he was returned to full duty. In all of the well written mix of experience you and your son and his family are having, it shows that the military is not a panacea. It takes very little to get on the list of action to separate. They are in the middle of reducing, not expanding. You have to a; have the needs of the Navy come first no matter what, b; be as flexible in mind and spirit as you can; c; understand that things change and change fast. I wouldn't put too much stack and trade in wild ass physc disorders. This stuff happens all the time, it's another way around PTSD or any other diagnosis. Hugh, don't take this perspective and throw your sons past into it. Really, not to sound harsh but my sailor put everyone through HELL, at 19 he was out of chances and living on the street. Last year he was Sailor of the Year for all E-5's in his area. Now at 26, he's his own man, still struggles, but I have his back, come what may. I was enlisted so it's hard to keep my own BS out of his career, but I work on it and he gives me some slack. Most of the descriptions above about change of duty stations are just that, change. You have to make the best of it in ANY job. I hope and pray the young sailor and his young family will hang tight and make it to get the best care for everyone. If either of you Dad's want to message me I'd be glad to elaborate on my sailors issues and how we coped. Thanks KTR for your words too, of encouragement and most of all your service. Jim
Neither you or his mother did ANYTHING wrong. Those diagnosis are there to get him separated. He can't be dishonorably discharged unless he committed a military or civilian crime. Separation under general conditions will not cause a los of any benefits. Who is the counsel advising him not to speak to family??? I'd contact his CO about that one. There may be more than meets the eye in this situation.
Perhaps, but honestly, it's more likely that if he doesn't want to be there, they don't want him there. The shipboard life can often seem like one big high school. The new guy, especially on a carrier,even with rank get's a lot of shit jobs. My son was mess cranking (food prep) as an E-4 on a destroyer. That was unheard of when I was in if you had a rate, as he does. If there is any way you can go see him I'd do it, just for your own peace of mind. I know he's grown and married and even if it's short, it's better for you than sitting around out of the loop. If he authorizes it, the medical personnel will speak to you. I went on every doctors appointment and hospital stay from November last year through June of this year. My son did better than I did some of the time, but the medical folks were wonderful and in the end want whats best for your son.
everyone gets to "crank" now....
Jim Govoni said:
Perhaps, but honestly, it's more likely that if he doesn't want to be there, they don't want him there. The shipboard life can often seem like one big high school. The new guy, especially on a carrier,even with rank get's a lot of shit jobs. My son was mess cranking (food prep) as an E-4 on a destroyer. That was unheard of when I was in if you had a rate, as he does. If there is any way you can go see him I'd do it, just for your own peace of mind. I know he's grown and married and even if it's short, it's better for you than sitting around out of the loop. If he authorizes it, the medical personnel will speak to you. I went on every doctors appointment and hospital stay from November last year through June of this year. My son did better than I did some of the time, but the medical folks were wonderful and in the end want whats best for your son.
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