brownbagger

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Permalink Reply by NavyDads Admin (Paul) on October 25, 2010 at 9:36am

what is a "brownbagger"?

NavyDads Co-Admin, Jim said:

I would start with the ombudsman. They are pretty good at helping with family affairs. Where in Florida are they? Jax, Pensacola?

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Permalink Reply by EMC (SS) on October 25, 2010 at 9:47am

Sir,
I am not sure what you mean by brown bagger in this context, but I am gathering that he has lost his privileges to reside off-base overnight. Is he at a training command?

I just left a training command as staff to return to sea. 3 month's is an excessive period of time to remove that privilege. I did have to revoke it for one of my students once, but it was only for a week then the message to show up on time set in. Even if it didn't I would have placed him on report for further instances of UA not just retain him on an on base status. It is actually quite a process to retain a person on base while he is married and his family is in the local base housing. It normally requires restriction which can only be issued through NJP and even then the CO is limited by the UCMJ to a maximum of 60 days per NJP. However since he is going home for a few hours every day I would say that this couldn't be the case.

If you could give some more information about the circumstances and what command he is at I might be able to hunt down some contact information for you to try.

I can tell you that normally you can not be assigned to live in the Barracks at the same time that you are assigned to base housing unless you are greater then 50 miles from your residence on Temporary Duty or you are assigned as a geo-bachelor in an oversea's assignment. Training commands have some number of rooms specifically designed to support taking care of issues called "motivational" or "clean" rooms where a Sailor can only have certain items (uniforms, PT gear, religious material) these are generally used only for a short period, require specific level of approval for use (my last command required school director approval, O-4) and are used as a corrective action for military deficiencies such as UA or repeat unsat BEQ inspections.
Very Respectfully,
EMC (SS)

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:19am

Pensacola

NavyDads Co-Admin, Jim said:

I would start with the ombudsman. They are pretty good at helping with family affairs. Where in Florida are they? Jax, Pensacola?

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:26am

from what I understand, he missed one day to go to base, why I don't know, but they have an apartment about 3 miles from base that they rented when he completed his classes and was allowed to move off base. He has been asking for a brownbagger for almost three months as his wife and 7 month old baby is sitting in the apartment. She doesn't drive and can only go somewhere while he is visiting, and he has the car. He is now rank E-3 as of this week, but they still will not release him to go home. This does not make since to me, or else he does not know who to ask! He passes all his test, he excels in everything he does, I asked him if he gets along withi everyone, he says yes. I asked why haven't they approved it and he just says, I don't know dad.


EMC (SS) said:

Sir,
I am not sure what you mean by brown bagger in this context, but I am gathering that he has lost his privileges to reside off-base overnight. Is he at a training command?

I just left a training command as staff to return to sea. 3 month's is an excessive period of time to remove that privilege. I did have to revoke it for one of my students once, but it was only for a week then the message to show up on time set in. Even if it didn't I would have placed him on report for further instances of UA not just retain him on an on base status. It is actually quite a process to retain a person on base while he is married and his family is in the local base housing. It normally requires restriction which can only be issued through NJP and even then the CO is limited by the UCMJ to a maximum of 60 days per NJP. However since he is going home for a few hours every day I would say that this couldn't be the case.

If you could give some more information about the circumstances and what command he is at I might be able to hunt down some contact information for you to try.

I can tell you that normally you can not be assigned to live in the Barracks at the same time that you are assigned to base housing unless you are greater then 50 miles from your residence on Temporary Duty or you are assigned as a geo-bachelor in an oversea's assignment. Training commands have some number of rooms specifically designed to support taking care of issues called "motivational" or "clean" rooms where a Sailor can only have certain items (uniforms, PT gear, religious material) these are generally used only for a short period, require specific level of approval for use (my last command required school director approval, O-4) and are used as a corrective action for military deficiencies such as UA or repeat unsat BEQ inspections.
Very Respectfully,
EMC (SS)

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:32am

permission to live off base


NavyDads Admin (Paul) said:

what is a "brownbagger"?

NavyDads Co-Admin, Jim said:

I would start with the ombudsman. They are pretty good at helping with family affairs. Where in Florida are they? Jax, Pensacola?

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:05pm

ok well he is attending aw(r) a-school sleeping in the carl vinson barracks, has wife and infant daughter with one vehicle, wife is frantic about driving, does not know where anything there is at. Can not get an answer to how much longer this is going to go on... If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. She did not move over there to live alone!

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:08pm

ok well he is attending aw(r) a-school sleeping in the carl vinson barracks, has wife and infant daughter with one vehicle, wife is frantic about driving, does not know where anything there is at. Can not get an answer to how much longer this is going to go on... If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. He moved his wife over there when he was allowed housing and made one mistake and now for three months his wife has lived alone. We understand why he lost it, what we don't get is why is it taking so long to reinstate it!!! She did not move over there to live alone!

Mr. Fleetwood said:

from what I understand, he missed one day to go to base, why I don't know, but they have an apartment about 3 miles from base that they rented when he completed his classes and was allowed to move off base. He has been asking for a brownbagger for almost three months as his wife and 7 month old baby is sitting in the apartment. She doesn't drive and can only go somewhere while he is visiting, and he has the car. He is now rank E-3 as of this week, but they still will not release him to go home. This does not make since to me, or else he does not know who to ask! He passes all his test, he excels in everything he does, I asked him if he gets along withi everyone, he says yes. I asked why haven't they approved it and he just says, I don't know dad.


EMC (SS) said:

Sir,
I am not sure what you mean by brown bagger in this context, but I am gathering that he has lost his privileges to reside off-base overnight. Is he at a training command?

I just left a training command as staff to return to sea. 3 month's is an excessive period of time to remove that privilege. I did have to revoke it for one of my students once, but it was only for a week then the message to show up on time set in. Even if it didn't I would have placed him on report for further instances of UA not just retain him on an on base status. It is actually quite a process to retain a person on base while he is married and his family is in the local base housing. It normally requires restriction which can only be issued through NJP and even then the CO is limited by the UCMJ to a maximum of 60 days per NJP. However since he is going home for a few hours every day I would say that this couldn't be the case.

If you could give some more information about the circumstances and what command he is at I might be able to hunt down some contact information for you to try.

I can tell you that normally you can not be assigned to live in the Barracks at the same time that you are assigned to base housing unless you are greater then 50 miles from your residence on Temporary Duty or you are assigned as a geo-bachelor in an oversea's assignment. Training commands have some number of rooms specifically designed to support taking care of issues called "motivational" or "clean" rooms where a Sailor can only have certain items (uniforms, PT gear, religious material) these are generally used only for a short period, require specific level of approval for use (my last command required school director approval, O-4) and are used as a corrective action for military deficiencies such as UA or repeat unsat BEQ inspections.
Very Respectfully,
EMC (SS)

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:46pm

by the way, they are in Pensacola in case I didn't say.

Mr. Fleetwood said:

Pensacola

NavyDads Co-Admin, Jim said:

I would start with the ombudsman. They are pretty good at helping with family affairs. Where in Florida are they? Jax, Pensacola?

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Fleetwood on October 25, 2010 at 10:56pm

ok well he is attending aw(r) a-school sleeping in the carl vinson barracks, in Pensacola, has wife and infant daughter with one vehicle, wife is frantic about driving, does not know where anything there is at. Can not get an answer to how much longer this is going to go on... If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. He moved his wife over there when he was allowed housing and made one mistake and now for three months his wife has lived alone. We understand why he lost it, what we don't get is why is it taking so long to reinstate it!!! She did not move over there to live alone!


Mr. Fleetwood said:

ok well he is attending aw(r) a-school sleeping in the carl vinson barracks, has wife and infant daughter with one vehicle, wife is frantic about driving, does not know where anything there is at. Can not get an answer to how much longer this is going to go on... If anyone can help, it would be greatly appreciated. He moved his wife over there when he was allowed housing and made one mistake and now for three months his wife has lived alone. We understand why he lost it, what we don't get is why is it taking so long to reinstate it!!! She did not move over there to live alone!

Mr. Fleetwood said:

from what I understand, he missed one day to go to base, why I don't know, but they have an apartment about 3 miles from base that they rented when he completed his classes and was allowed to move off base. He has been asking for a brownbagger for almost three months as his wife and 7 month old baby is sitting in the apartment. She doesn't drive and can only go somewhere while he is visiting, and he has the car. He is now rank E-3 as of this week, but they still will not release him to go home. This does not make since to me, or else he does not know who to ask! He passes all his test, he excels in everything he does, I asked him if he gets along withi everyone, he says yes. I asked why haven't they approved it and he just says, I don't know dad.


EMC (SS) said:

Sir,
I am not sure what you mean by brown bagger in this context, but I am gathering that he has lost his privileges to reside off-base overnight. Is he at a training command?

I just left a training command as staff to return to sea. 3 month's is an excessive period of time to remove that privilege. I did have to revoke it for one of my students once, but it was only for a week then the message to show up on time set in. Even if it didn't I would have placed him on report for further instances of UA not just retain him on an on base status. It is actually quite a process to retain a person on base while he is married and his family is in the local base housing. It normally requires restriction which can only be issued through NJP and even then the CO is limited by the UCMJ to a maximum of 60 days per NJP. However since he is going home for a few hours every day I would say that this couldn't be the case.

If you could give some more information about the circumstances and what command he is at I might be able to hunt down some contact information for you to try.

I can tell you that normally you can not be assigned to live in the Barracks at the same time that you are assigned to base housing unless you are greater then 50 miles from your residence on Temporary Duty or you are assigned as a geo-bachelor in an oversea's assignment. Training commands have some number of rooms specifically designed to support taking care of issues called "motivational" or "clean" rooms where a Sailor can only have certain items (uniforms, PT gear, religious material) these are generally used only for a short period, require specific level of approval for use (my last command required school director approval, O-4) and are used as a corrective action for military deficiencies such as UA or repeat unsat BEQ inspections.
Very Respectfully,
EMC (SS)

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Permalink Reply by NavyDads Admin (Paul) on October 25, 2010 at 10:58pm

so if he gets assigned to a carrier group and is on cruise for 7 months does he have a plan?




Mr. Fleetwood said:

by the way, they are in Pensacola in case I didn't say.

Mr. Fleetwood said:

Pensacola

NavyDads Co-Admin, Jim said:

I would start with the ombudsman. They are pretty good at helping with family affairs. Where in Florida are they? Jax, Pensacola?

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Permalink Reply by EMC (SS) on October 26, 2010 at 5:12am

Pensacola Ombudsman Coordinator

"The Ombudsman Program ensures that the lines of communication are open between the Senior Leadership of Commands and the family members in order to resolve problems and relay vital information. The Fleet & Family Support Center (FFSC) is responsible for coordinating the Regional Command Ombudsman Program.

The FFSC Ombudsman Coordinator provides support services to area Ombudsmen and assists them in accessing information and referral when necessary. The Coordinator is also responsible for scheduling and providing semi-annual Ombudsman Training to qualify new Command Ombudsman for assumption of this vital Command role. For more information, contact the FFSC Ombudsman Coordinator.

Ombudsman Coordinator:
(850) 452-5990 ext. 3109, DSN: 922"

She needs to get in touch with the command ombudsman through this number. There are generally 1-5 per training command.

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Permalink Reply by EMC (SS) on October 26, 2010 at 5:20am

I recommend that she gets in contact with the Fleet and Family Support Center. They provide counseling and training on numerous issues ranging from family counseling, budget counseling, life skills classes, education workshops, volunteer opportunities, arrange support groups, job placement and personal counseling.
These resources can be reached by Sailor's or their dependents 24 hours a day anywhere in the world from military one source 1-800-342-9647

"Work and Family Life Workshops

FFSC Work and Family Life Workshops can help you approach the unique challenges of military life with confidence. These workshops are designed to strengthen and enrich individuals and families with the knowledge, skills and support for a healthier lifestyle.

Some of the classes regularly offered by the FFSC include:

Anger Control
Blended Families
Time Management
Dealing w/ Difficult People
Couples Communication
First Time Dad's
Parenting
Stress Management
Speak your Mind!
For more information or to sign up for a class:

Education Specialist - (850) 452-5990 ext. 1543"

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