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Comment by Craig on August 5, 2010 at 9:36pm

Paul ~ I don't know your son situation however where most recruits mess themselves up is at "The Moment of Truth". Recruits will come clean with various items that weren't disclosed. Two things happen, they either allow them to stay in and if they are in a sensitive rating moved to another, or, they will discharge them for a fraudulent enlistment. In the case of Greg D. example below, that recruit probably remembered in boot camp that he had friends in Brazil. What should have happened is that recruit should have listed on a form called a dd-86 and it would have prescreen him out. Bottomline, it is totally unwise for him to go undesignated. Usually it takes about 18 months before they can apply for a rating. Sometimes it's quicker, but on an average it's 18 months. If ever you want to talk about it, let me know. I've been doing this forum stuff for years. The only reason I'm here now is my nephew is in BC now, in your sons unit, and I like tracking some of the stories going on in there.....

Comment by greg delany on August 5, 2010 at 8:42pm

our son had a sailor in his BC that had the same thing happen. He had traveled outside the US to Brazil and had friends aboad. Not allowed I guess, so he designated HM. He was very upset too. I don't recommend Undesignated. They tend to throw them into fleet and they get crap jobs till they find a designation.

Comment by Paul Blazer on August 5, 2010 at 7:52pm

Good answers...a lot of stuff that us Dads aren't privy to, and a lot of things that they should do PRIOR to giving a recruit any rating (in my sons case, IT). It gives them false hope, and dreams of their future Navy life...with todays internet access they read about, in depth, what their future will entail based on this rating given at MEPS, and their dreams are enforced and validated with a Contract. Little do they know that when they sign the dotted line (thumb print) that said promising future is just a come on, a sort of bait and switch if you will. My son is very bright, and put ALL his trust in what he was told, and as the TV ads tell us to do, I was behind him all the way. Now he is there, looking at 4 years of....not what he planned, dreamed, or was told he would be doing. And who plants these crap "undesignated" ideas in our young, bright men anyhow? I need to talk to somebody higher up in Command to get a better understanding of how they can get away with this. Anybody have any numbers? PAOs' number isn't high enough...

Comment by NavyDads Admin (Paul) on August 5, 2010 at 6:33pm

thanx Craig...I sure am glad we have experts like you around the site!!!

Comment by Craig on August 5, 2010 at 6:18pm

Paul B, I tuly hate answering questions like this because most people want to "Kill the messenger". But I beleive since you ask, you are willing to hear what is possible. Here it is: For the IT rating these are the basic requirements. If you son was screened at bootcamp and he had any of these, then he would be DQ'd or he could ask for a waiver. Waivers are rarely approved now because there is so many sailors available to fill the slot:
Both applicant and immediate family members (parents, siblings, and spouse) must be U.S. Citizens. Moral turpitude offense(s) are generally disqualifying. Must meet drug abuse criteria specified in Volume II. The PSSQ is required and must be in the service record and the residual file.
Audiometric Hearing Levels: Pure tone at 500, 1000, and 2000 cycles per second for each ear of not more than 30dB on the average with no individual level greater than 35dB at those frequencies. Pure tone level not more than 45dB at 3000 cycles per second or 55dB at 4000 cycles per second for each ear.
He does not want to go undesignated. It's better to get a rating and move on with his life. He cannot make rate (ie PO3) without having a rating.
Lastly, "Don't kill the messenger"....

Comment by Paul Blazer on August 5, 2010 at 5:07pm

O.k. here's one for you...my son was supposed to go IT, contract and all, but got to BC and at his intake interview the lady said you don't get IT. ????? Now he is going to go to "classifications" to pick a new rating. How is this possible when he tested high on his asvab, signed a contract to go IT, and waited what seemed like forever to him (6 months) to go to BC? Today I received a letter from him stating he was going in last Monday to pick a new rating!!! This is really been tough on him, and me, trying to explain the unexplainable. He also stated he might go "undesignated seaman", and get to IT from there. What is this "undesignated" rating?

Comment by NavyDads Admin (Paul) on August 5, 2010 at 10:32am

I was thinking along the lines: RTC-> high school, A-school-> college, C-school-> grad school

Comment by Craig on August 5, 2010 at 10:20am

"A" school means you have a general knowledge, "C" school means you are specialize in one area.
Think of "A" school as being an auto mechanic, think of "C" school as being a auto mechanic that works on Corvettes.

Comment by NavyDads Admin (Paul) on August 5, 2010 at 10:08am

A-school is directly out of bootcamp...C-school follows A-school for some rates and is a specialized, in-detail school. Not all rates follow on to C-school. Also in-fleet sailors rotate to C-school as the rates demand specialized or updated training

Comment by Charles Stephen Wharton on August 5, 2010 at 9:50am

What is the difference between "A"school and "C" school?

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