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Comment by greg delany on July 22, 2010 at 9:58pm

Well Mike,
I saw first hand how the Soviets treated their citizens. There was no bill of rights because the people forfieted the right to govern themselves and the Govenment determined what was truth. 70 years of the truth and the gulag and sensorship. No thanks.... fox news, talk radio, tea parties are all a form of speech aforded in the first amendment. The left always begins the asalt on the first and second amendment the minute they get power. Keagan will fight hard to take those RIGHTS we were given because they prevent her kind from total control of the masses to govern themselves

Comment by Rex on July 22, 2010 at 8:54pm

Comment by ctyankee on July 22, 2010 at 4:08pm

Hey Mike,

Denying habeas corpus is certainly a foul occurrence. And please do not assume that I wish to trade liberty for security. But let me pose a hypothetical:

Suppose the conspirator was wired a dead-man switch and is using his documents to prevent the switch from closing and detonating a bomb. Do we sent a lawyer in to recover the documents?

{I should have prefaced the hypothetical with "objoke:"}

As a firm believer in the Bill of Rights, there are times when even I have to admit that certain rights, that may be infringed at certain times under certain conditions... BUT -- and this is a really big but...

There have to be stakeholders on *both* sides of the incarceration. A cop can swear out a complaint and have me jailed, but if he is wrong, there are few consequences for the cop.

The problem with that is the bad guys could overwhelm the system with a multitude of "apparently guilty" martyrs, defeating the resolve of the good guys. Sound familiar???

objoke:
Three Arabs board a flight and make jokes about jihad; there is no punchline.

Oops, not so funny is it?

The price for Liberty is eternal vigilance. Until the rest of us assume that burden if vigilance, the system will continue to deteriorate.

Perhaps we should start using lawyers as mine-clearing-devices... I see no real downside to that... ;^)

Comment by Mike Stark on July 22, 2010 at 2:08pm

So, because you (mistakenly, I might add) consider Barack Obama the second coming of Stalin (you made the Soviet allusion, not me), it is OK to ruin (or at least attempt to ruin) the lives of obscure, unsung people to defeat him politically??

And freedom is far more under threat from those who would sacrifice essential liberty for temporary safety than from attempts to help the poor, whether said attempts are effective or not. The previous administration asserted the right to deny habeas corpus to non-citizen prisoners. Anyone who understands the phrase "Catch-22" will immediately see the problem with that. For those who don't --

Prisoner Greg: I want to call my lawyer
Guard: No, you're not a citizen
Prisoner Greg: The hell I'm not
Guard: Prove it
Prisoner Greg: I need to call my family to bring my papers.
Guard: You're not a citizen, we don't have to let you.

Fortunately, the Supreme Court was having none of this. But Rumsfeld and Cheney sure tried.

Comment by greg delany on July 22, 2010 at 1:45pm

This is a non story that they media will run with for a month if they can do it, so we don't pay attention to what the wizzard behind the curtain is doing to our country! The Democrates have kept the poor in poverty and dependant on Government with no hope of getting out of poverty. The only way they can keep power over the masses is to keep the masses dependant and distracted. The Soviet's paid their peolple with Slogans of "Praise the worker" and Speaches full of good intentions and vissions of a benevolent Government that will give you everything you will ever need to be happy. It never exsisted nor will it ever exsist, but the illution of it gives them power over the idiots willing to give up their freedom for bread!

Comment by Robert Hartman on July 22, 2010 at 1:14pm

Breitbart should not be on the hook,Lets be fair and use a Bush quote for this one "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again"

Comment by Mike Stark on July 22, 2010 at 8:53am

So Breitbarts off the hook then, Greg? What he did was equivalent to extracting "a wretch like me" from Amazing Grace without telling the redemption story. Not to mention previous greatest hits like filming an ACORN guy getting information about trafficking underage girls and neglecting to mention that the next thing he did was call the police. To me the outright, blatant deception is the real issue here, coupled with the targeting of innocent citizens for political reasons. The choice of racially charged issues has been made by right wingers such as Breitbart; the Obama administration has been trying to avoid these issues when possible and has made panicky responses the rest of the time.

You see greg, I'm just old enough to have childhood memories of Stokely Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver. If Obama is a militant Papa Smurf is an angry blue man!

If God forbid our country becomes fascist, we have our candidate for the Goebbels role already. Breitbart has absorbed the Big Lie concept very thoroughly.

Comment by Rex on July 21, 2010 at 8:35pm

Most all of them suck ! some of the Sh%% heads just know how to hide it better . Some of them just don't care. either way,
Come on November ! ! !

Comment by Rex on July 21, 2010 at 8:31pm

Comment by greg delany on July 21, 2010 at 4:38pm

Dan Rather forged documents, Clinton can't find the White water documents , oops they were on the coffee table of the white house all along, I never had sex with that woman, It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is. No one on the left in the media checks facts unless it will expose dirt on a conservative. The white house is saying it is sorry to Mrs. Sherrod, but I still havn't heard one for Sgt. James Crowley. The post racial election has lead to a white house that uses race to determine everything. Anyone not a minority is immediatley Guilty without a trail and acted stupidly. Sorry Mike but this administration tries to stir up race and class envy at every turn

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