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Comment by greg delany on June 16, 2010 at 3:27pm

Comment by Mike Stark on June 12, 2010 at 11:29am
Congratulations to Robin Williams -- his ideas would have consigned Einstein to the death camps.
Comment by Kirk Brooks on June 9, 2010 at 8:50pm
I live in Colorado and former Gov. Lamm is known for being controversial to say the least. I haven't always agreed with him but he nailed it this time.
Comment by Rex on June 9, 2010 at 8:34pm
Great post Greg We remember the old dick Lamm when we were living in Colorado. Also here is some more info what illegal immigration is costing us here in Arizona. But wait its from the BAD one sided news organization .
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/17/immigration-costs-rising-rapid...
Comment by greg delany on June 9, 2010 at 1:25pm
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare
the hell out of you!

A Frightening Analysis

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado.
In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there
was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled
to capacity by many of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor by the name of Victor Davis Hanson talked about his
latest book, 'Mexifornia,' explaining how immigration - both legal and
illegal - was destroying the entire state of California . He said it would
march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American
Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm
stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America .. The
audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction
of the United States . He said, 'If you believe that America is too smug,
too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold
Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An
autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.''

'Here is how they do it,' Lamm said: 'First, to
destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and
bicultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension,
conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures.
It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse
for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put
it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do
not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada ,
Belgium , Malaysia , Lebanon all face crises of national existence in
which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and
Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces
difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.'

Lamm went on: 'Second, to destroy America , invent
'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I
would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there
are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the
Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and
discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

'Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic
Quebec ' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather
than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:
'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment
might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the
dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an
American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us
together.'

Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep
their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor
with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have
various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their differences
rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'

'Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic
group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this
second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'

'My fifth point for destroying America would be to get
big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would
invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of
'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of
success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry
blaming all minority failure on the majority.'

'My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include
dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate
diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities.
Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that
is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable
society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity!
Unity is what it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient
Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they
possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same
gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games.

A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet
all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions.
Greece fell.

'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of
the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.'

'Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits -
make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I
would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped
discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'x! xenophobe'
halt discussion and debate.

'Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country,
having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the
doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them.'

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped
his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, 'Lastly, I would
censor Victor Davis Hanson's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It
exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be
destroyed, don't read that book.'

There was no applause.

A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every discussion
is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our
educational system and national cohesiveness. Barbaric cultures that
practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate
'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as
corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and
other states - todate, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is
reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans
are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom
is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on
everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great
democracy are deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this
immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a
California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The
American Dream.
Comment by greg delany on June 9, 2010 at 10:37am
where are all the Hollywood fund raisers to help the guf coast towns and fisherman.
Comment by Mike Stark on June 9, 2010 at 9:21am
It never ends well when the pols involve kids. Remember Amy Carter on nuclear weapons?
Comment by Rex on June 8, 2010 at 8:44pm
Was it something that i said or what ? maybe the summer heat is getting to me.
Comment by Rex on June 8, 2010 at 8:43pm

Comment by Mike Stark on June 8, 2010 at 9:44am
Daddy, can you plug Pat "it sounds better in the original German" Buchanan's pie hole next?
Pat's greatest hits follow:

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90) Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction.

Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)

Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)
 

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