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Permalink Reply by Chuck on October 16, 2011 at 7:46pm

My geuss is that in this situation her choices will be taken into accoumt, but the needs of the Navy will be served in the end.  There are some aks a sailor a question groups I would advise you to check those out.

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Permalink Reply by Craig on October 18, 2011 at 10:36pm

Well FGB,

Glad to see another veteran here....  Like all sailors I don't sugarcoat things.  

Secondly, you'll probably not like my answer, but at least you'll see the rule and hopefully

use it to your advantage....

 

Per your daughter,

I assumed she was a U.S. citizen when she joined.  But she could have joined as a legal residence of the U.S., with a green card, but she would have been limited on which ratings (jobs) she will get.  

Where the problem lays is she was put into the CTR rating.   I'm guessing, but I beleive she was not "Bound by Affection" to her birth mother, father, aunts, or uncle, etc... By this is she was adopted without knowing her birth family.  So this makes her eligible for that rating, believe it or not...  I have a friend that has parents that were from Vietnam, and he was still able to get a SBI access because he wasn't "Bound by Affection", he didn't see them in 10 or more years....

 

Now where your daughter is screwed is she has the Russian boyfriend.  That makes her ineligible for that rating.  Those two items mixed together doesn't work.  My guess is she failed to tell the recruiter she had a Russian BF, or the recruiter told her not to say anything.  Either way, she will more than likely be discharged with the code of "SEPARATION BY REASON OF UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE"

She will be discharged with a RE-4 discharge code of GHJ, HHJ, or JHJ.  With a RE-4 discharge code, she will not be able to get into any service EVER.  I know you know that since your a veteran, but wanted to post it for the others that might read this tread.  

I know you're wondering why Unsatisfactory Performance"?  Well it's a discharge they give all sailors who can't get a security clearance.  You can read it here on MILPERSMAN 1910.156.  Look at para 2.F

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/190...

 

Could she get another rating?  She could.  But if she doesn't pick another rating they will discharge her.  I don't think they will send her "undes" since the Navy is full.  My guess it they will more than likely they will discharge her if she doesn't chose another rating.  

 

I had a guy on my website get discharged for the same discharge code.  He has been fighting 2 years to get it changed, but more than likely, he will continue to fight this for 10 more years.  It won't be changed.  Had he knew the outcome, he would have never joined.  

 

Believe me, I love seeing people join the Navy, but in your case, I don't see no much hope if she doesn't take another rating, but it will be very limited.

 

Again, I want to say again, "Don't kill the messager".  

 

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Permalink Reply by FGB on October 20, 2011 at 7:29am

Hey Craig,

Thanks for the info.  Just for clarification, my girl is already in boot camp and did dislcose the boyfriend both before she shipped out and during her security interviews at RTC so she has been up front about the whole thing.  Allegedly yesterday she was to meet with a counselor or some such and see what other jobs might be available and hopefully she found one and picked one.

Let's hope so anyway.

 

FGB

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Permalink Reply by Bill Livingston on October 20, 2011 at 12:53pm

It is my understanding from my son who just graduated PIR 9-30-11 is that if your daughter wants out she can opt out. He said there were kids in his division that just decided they didn't want to stay and they began the process of getting them out. Note here that if she does that and is placed in Ship 5 she will end up staying there until after her original Division graduates. Different scenario than when I was in but thats what he says happened.

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Permalink Reply by FGB on October 20, 2011 at 1:26pm

I spoke with my girl and she does NOT want to opt out so hopefully there will be another billet for her.

 

Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Livingston on October 20, 2011 at 1:45pm

That's the best news. I am glad she does not want out. I have also heard that she could eventually earn her security status.

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Permalink Reply by KenH on March 4, 2012 at 2:25pm

I have anxiety along different lines. My son started at RTC 3 days ago on 3/1/12, and his girlfriend is to get the call about his mailing address.
I have a missed call today on my cell phone without voicemail, and when I called the number back, I got someone saying that this was the office for outgoing members, and whoever called me will call back. When I asked if this means my son is being let go, the chief petty officer said it could be anything, including medical questions.

Does this happen a lot? It's going to be an unpleasant wait for the callback.

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Permalink Reply by KenH on March 4, 2012 at 3:48pm

Hi Jim :847-688-2394. Thank you

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Permalink Reply by KenH on March 4, 2012 at 5:23pm

Thanks for responding so promptly, Jim. It gives me some reassurance. Nothing to do now anyway except wait for any further contact.

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Permalink Reply by KenH on March 14, 2012 at 11:28pm

KenH said:

Thanks for responding so promptly, Jim. It gives me some reassurance. Nothing to do now anyway except wait for any further contact.

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Permalink Reply by KenH on March 29, 2012 at 11:40pm

Hi Jim
I never got back to you, but that mysterious call was just an extra free call from my son. So far he actually is enjoying boot camp. PIR 4/27/12.
Thanks again.
Ken

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